May 19, 2014 at 9:23 am #16704
Click here to listen live beginning at 6:30 PM! Sid Glassner joins us to cover the debate between Tom Raffio, Bill Duncan and Dr. David Pook (in favor of Common Core) and Ann Marie Banfield, Jamie Gass and Emmett McGroarty. Click here for more details:
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Jamie Gass, Pioneer Institute in Boston:
CC comes from two Washington DC based organizations. Tens of millions of dollars from the Bill and Melinda Gates Association. Massachusetts had superior standards at every benchmark, but had to be brought along into the fold to persuade other states. Independent analysis of cost says it will cost NH $90 million. Federal involvement illegal? Used Race to Top and promise of money to gain compliance from the state.May 19, 2014 at 7:13 pm #16740
Emmett McGroarty: standards are horrible, reiterates much of what Gass said.May 19, 2014 at 7:17 pm #16741
Tom Raffio: Says cost estimates aren’t accurate. Superintendents are telling them differently. Giving bio. He’s “apolitical.”
Saying the BOE spent a lot of time in the community on this. Cindy Chagnon, BOE member and bedford school board member, asking teacher nominees what they thought. All giving glowing reports about how great they are and how much better…
from business perspective…business and education coalition, BIA support…if someone moves from Iowa to NH, we want to know where they are.
Got their hands dirty on this, rolled up sleeves, 2009…DOE talking to “all lead authors” from NM, NY, conversations about “broader concepts.” They were very open to our recommendations…such as “speaking in the English standards” really…May 19, 2014 at 7:18 pm #16742
in 2010 had hearings all over state…invited superintendents and other staff (no parents, or others outside the bureaucracy…) teachers, “experts” satisfied. Reading praise from two teachers…I guess the Nashua teachers that sent him letters saying NOPE don’t matter.May 19, 2014 at 7:23 pm #16743
Gass coming back on standards. Talked about how even Common Core advocates said standards in MA and IN were the best. Standards called for heavy emphasis on literature, fiction. Informational texts, which is the emphasis of CC, are simply inferior standards.
Citing studies about how kids who study high quality literature do much better. Blasting how things like the Gettysburg Address are separated from their historic context and that’s debilitating to the education process. No evidence at all that it works.May 19, 2014 at 7:26 pm #16744
Ann Marie Banfield: addressing Math standards. What problems existed that necessitated the intrusion of the feds?
Saying child psychologists finding that children are simply not capable of doing the work, which is stressing them out. Child is not equipped to think in abstract terms and the age level inappropriate stuff is destroying their ability and desire to learn.
This is not rigor, it’s damaging. Teachers are calling it child abuse.
Dr. James Milgram: As kids move along, they fall behind. By the time they’re in 9th grade, they’re at least two years behind their international peers. So, they start in a developmentally inappropriate paradigm and then go too slow to keep pace.May 19, 2014 at 7:28 pm #16745
David Pook: I’m just a classroom teacher, so I’m not used to lecturing, but talking about things. So, lets talk about the standards.
Goes to “slide 58.” We feel that students need to “engage with complex texts.” It’s not true that by adding more informational texts, we’re taking away from others. Really?
We want them to “read closely” to extract information that’s there.
Saying that before CC, teachers were good at getting kids to guess what was next and kids were good at doing it without reading it. Oh my head…May 19, 2014 at 7:34 pm #16746
If you read the standards, they’re divided in particular ways. Prime writers Coleman and Pimentol, wrote “publishers criteria.” Most ELA programs will “need to increase substantially their non-fiction reading. It’s non-negotiable criteria for alignment to CCSS. K-5 must increase to 50% to informational texts.
He’s just shredding Pook’s entire presentation by reading the documents Pook just told everybody to read…Oh My HEAD!
They are very clear, there is to be a shift to informational text. That’s problematic. Classic fiction provides great benefit to children, builds vocabulary, empathy, understanding others, vicariously study decision making. These are TIMELESS skills, not 21st century or any other century. Studies show this is much better than reading informational text.May 19, 2014 at 7:36 pm #16747
Banfield piling on, teachers studies talking about standards for K and other young children…the standards are great…for high schoolers, maybe. Developmentally inappropriate. Talks about “common core syndrome” being diagnosed in NY because little kids are so frustrated they can’t do what’s being required of them. Look at the example in NY, they’re a year or two ahead of us and it was great until they did it.
McGroarty: Not one early learning professional on the standards writing teams. A letter signed by more than 500 of them was ignored by writers.May 19, 2014 at 7:38 pm #16748
Pook defending informational text. He’s “experimenting” on his own 3 year old daughter, Beatrice. Reading off the Info text books they’re reading to here and getting her opinion on. At home, it’s not at the sacrifice of literary text, it’s in addition (which I suppose is possible if you don’t have a class.”May 19, 2014 at 7:41 pm #16749
Bill Duncan: Reading a note from a K teacher about the “developmental appropriateness.” “Even with all this rigor” She balked, but now she sees how it works and it all depends on how you approach it.
Another K-teacher praising “composing and decomposing numbers.” Oh, they’re justifying the use of “blocks” to teach math.
Teachers he’s talked to across the state agree that it’s how you teach.May 19, 2014 at 7:43 pm #16750
Jamie Gass: Pook is a social studies teacher talking about English standards. Pook, I theach both.
Gass: For centuries, English teachers have been teaching English. It’s what they do, poetry, etc. Common Core, and Pook would agree, in video after training after video moves away from literature to informational texts.
E.D. Hirsch: If you were a poor or minority kid, the state you want to be in is MA because of the quality of the English Standards.May 19, 2014 at 7:46 pm #16751
Banfield: If NH’s math standards were so bad, which is the justification for changing to CC, why didn’t Gov. Lynch or Raffio do anything about it then? Why now under CC?
with respect to Pook, no complaints from Derryfield parents, but plenty from public schools who came out to testify on HB 1508. No parent testified in favor, not even from Derryfield, but then again, Derryfield isn’t adopting them, neither is Phillips Exeter. Good for them, I applaud them pursuing excellence, why can’t the rest of the state?
Wow!May 19, 2014 at 7:49 pm #16752
Raffio responding: If they want to use common core as a baseline, they can do that, but they can do more.
Pook: No where in the standards does it say “shift away” from literature to info text.
now he’s into the weeds…BUT…literature is important in English, so the informational texts, which English teachers will have to read, so Science and Social Studies teachers will have to pick up the slack.
He keeps citing books that are “informational texts” which, frankly, I don’t think they are.
Committed to standards that teach how “tone affects style?” Hm, interesting he doesn’t even mention that The Derryfield isn’t adopting the standards.
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